FA ineptitude

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FA ineptitude

by ViEiRA @ 2007-05-03 – 17:26:16

We should restart GRODD.

Oh yeah, GRODD was great! Next time I go home I'm going to start posting stuff I did in GRODD, the football action group my sister, friends and I had between 1996 and 1998.

Seriously, re. the Wenger thing, I'm not just whinging because I'm an Arsenal fan. I'm whinging because who made the FA the police? The whole system is so outdated. If the linesman is really so upset about being accused of lying, he can sue Wenger. I think it's time the various leagues told the FA to sod off and got with the real world. There shouldn't be Opinion or Thought Police in football, or anywhere else. This is a fundamental freedom of speech issue for me, albeit a trivial one, but in what other discipline do you get fined for speaking your mind?

Opinions anyone?

God bless, Jenni xx
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- rithompson
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- 2007-05-03 @ 17:35:26
And I thought Franco was undemocratic!

[Ooh, looks like my dissertation is entering every area of brain!]
- - ViEiRA
  - 2007-05-04 @ 11:02:53
  Maybe the FA are all graduates of the School of the Americas?
  
  See what's in every area of MY brain!
  
  God bless xx
  - - rithompson
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    - 2007-05-04 @ 11:27:41
    I'll decline that offer, thanks very much!
    - - ViEiRA
      - 2007-05-04 @ 11:29:38
      Haha, you don't want to see anyone in various states of undress... (Well, you might enjoy some more than others...)
      
      God bless xx
      - rithompson
        
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        2007-05-04 @ 13:52:31
        
        Who have you seen in various states of undress, that I'd enjoy?!
        
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        ViEiRA
        
        2007-05-04 @ 14:02:29
        
        Not so much seen, as imagined...
        
        God bless xx
        
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- ajnspencer ^Pro
- http://www.devonwallart.co.uk
- 2007-05-03 @ 18:57:21
If we get the police involved it sets a dangerous precedent, all of a sudden legal issues will start to become profligate in football.

The reason the FA have fined him is because he broke FA rules regarding his conduct, freedom of speech is one thing, defaming another's character is a different ball game if you'll excuse the pun.

Think of it this way, if I do something wrong at work I can be punished, Arsey Whinger did something wrong at work, he got fined *shrug*.

I'm sorry but it's typically paranoid fluff from the Emirates, even Mourinho has more class than Whinger.

Having said that... hope you're well.
- - damdam
  - 2007-05-04 @ 09:59:58
  Wenger said it like it was....he lied...the evidence showed he lied...its that simple
  
  wuteva u have personally against Wenger or Arsenal doesn't change anything...how cliche is it that whenever they (mostly rightly) speak up against the FA dictatorship, pple like u always label it whinging...its tired....
  - - ViEiRA
    - 2007-05-04 @ 11:01:11
    I agree that stating one's opinion is only "whinging" if a football manager does it, and one of only 3 football managers at that. I don't like the way debate is reduced to who's a whinger and who isn't, and I don't like the fact that the FA is above the law and makes irrelevant laws which don't exist anywhere else in society - or, if they do, then that "anywhere else in society", is the proper channels for them.
    
    God bless xx
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  - - ajnspencer ^Pro
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    - 2007-05-04 @ 11:03:30
    How cliche is it for Arsenal fans to whine about the FA
    
    Been like a stuck record for about a decade now
    
    Spending time targetting the FA over making Wenger pay pocket change for yet another ill-thought out whinge simply distracts from things I'd have thought Arsenal fans would be more worried about, the team's continuing inneffectiveness when it comes to winning things and the infighting in the board for example.
    
    You have a team containing one of the best strikers in the world, one of the best young midfielders in the world and one of the best defenders in the world.
    
    There is a bigger malaise here than percieved FA bias, looking outwards may present short term solutions but sometimes a person and a team need to bite the bullet and look inwards rather than take the easy way out.
    - - ViEiRA
      - 2007-05-04 @ 11:09:54
      You can complain about more than one thing a day, AJ! I know we have a few internal problems. The way the team is playing atm isn't major, I think: we've had worse luck with injuries than all the other big teams this season, and the team is very young: I reckon we'll do well in two years or so.
      
      And whinging about the FA isn't fundamental, I never said it was, but I think it is legitimate. It's not just Arsenal, either. I got cross 10 years ago when a Leicester City player got fined for going to a non-League game and shouting at the referee, who recognised him. Ridiculous: he's not in his professional capacity there!
      
      The infighting in the board is a worry, simply because if Wenger leaves, everyone else might too.
      
      God bless xx
      - ajnspencer ^Pro
        
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        2007-05-04 @ 11:16:38
        
        See, there I agree, that Leicester player should never have been fined.
        
        But there's a difference between yelling at a ref in a non league game and publicly accusing an official of various crimes.
        
        The biggest difficulty I see is Wenger has become the boy who cried wolf, too many times he's complained about things only he sees, too long he's been blind to his and his team's faults, especially when it comes to disciplinary matters.
        
        All we hear now when he hits the screen with his little aggrieved face on is "blah, blah, whine, whine, yadda, yadda".
        
        He's become like a diving player, even a foul goes unpunished sometimes because he has a history of playacting.
        
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        ViEiRA
        
        2007-05-04 @ 11:23:19
        
        I can only reply to this with a quote from Ray.
        
        "If you think Arsenal fans are paranoid, try being one for five minutes."
        
        I don't think AW IS blind to his team's faults, I think he likes to deal with them internally. Now that is probably double standards, but it's much easier to keep your cool and give your own player a good telling off later on over something THEY did to themselves, rather than keep your cool over an opposition player or official costing you a game - because you have no control over that. You can put out the best XI in the world, and a referee can make sure your team loses, and any complaints will get you fined by the FA. There is little accountability - a referee gets relegated about once every 5 years, I think there's been 2 in my 12-year supporting life - and EVERY team suffers, not just Arsenal, Liverpool, Leicester or Accrington Stanley. I think the whole system needs an overhaul for EVERYBODY's sake.
        
        God bless xx
        
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    - - damdam
      - 2007-05-04 @ 11:23:49
      once again..u give another cliche anti-arsenal response...
      no one is stating my anymeans that the FA is solely to blame for any of our troubles or anything like that...
      Wenger's comment was just for the particular instance in which the linesman accused Adebayor of doing what tv cameras showed he never did....and I'm pretty sure you actually dont even know the details of the case, just couldn't wait to throw another digg at Arsenal ....smh
      
      we are not the first to complain about the FA and we won't be the last either...
      
      yet, you dont see them taking action against Mourinho on his insinuations about the penalty bias against Chelsea and so on...
      
      anyways, take those anti-Arsenal sentiments elsewhere...its really tired...if you're gonna hate, atleast be more creative....
      - ajnspencer ^Pro
        
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        2007-05-04 @ 11:37:49
        
        I'm afraid it's not your blog to be telling me to go somewhere else.
        
        If I were you I'd take a good look at how Jenni responds to debate, it'll teach you a thing or two about how to communicate in a blogging environment where people have open discussions and differing points of view.
        
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- - ViEiRA
  - 2007-05-04 @ 10:56:34
  I didn't mean get the police involved. I'm thinking more of civil law. In general society, if you say something someone doesn't like, they sue you.
  
  Arsene Wenger DIDN'T do something wrong at work. He said something someone may have found offensive. We all do this all the time, at work, in the home, even in public, and DON'T get punished unless someone takes serious offence.
  
  I'm well thank you, how are you?
  
  God bless xx
  - - ajnspencer ^Pro
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    - 2007-05-04 @ 11:09:01
    What he did was accuse somebody of incompetance and deciet and he did it in national media, now I'd get at least a pretty severe telling off but probably more if I went publicly to a local rag and accused a co-worker of that...
    
    I do agree about suing, look at Dabo potentially suing the thug that is Joey Barton but we're already a far too litigious society, if things can be dealt with in house I'd rather it worked that way than a pointless court case that would simply be settled before it was ever legally decided anyway.
    
    If the lino had taken Wenger to court I have no doubt he just would have spared himself and arsenal the press and just made a quick settle to get it out the way, that sort of thing is useless in the long term.
    
    I'm average, feeling a bit cruddy (as you can see from my slightly argumentative nature) but it's just same old, same old.
    - - ViEiRA
      - 2007-05-04 @ 11:14:55
      It's not always wrong to accuse people of lying though, if you have a solid basis of evidence. I don't know if you've ever watched BBC Parliament, which is a big media circus of people accusing each other of lying. It's blown out of all proportion when it happens in football.
      
      The FA doesn't look at the validity of what people said. If someone unjustly accuses someone else, that is libel and can be punished, but the FA punishes you just for saying it, right or wrong. That can't be right. When you take someone to court, you have to prove you didn't do what you've been accused of in order to win. People in football get away with loads because the FA is not interested in justice, only in preventing arguments, which is immature IMO.
      
      Aww, sorry you're not feeling so good. My life is slightly better now I think. Certainly not feeling as stagnant as I did last week... good riddance to that!
      
      God bless xx
      - ajnspencer ^Pro
        
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        2007-05-04 @ 11:33:47
        
        So far I've seen no evidence of it though... and, you know what, **if** it did happen it was a mistake, people make them.
        
        What it wasn't was something to be all blown out of proportion into another square in the eiderdown of believed conspiracy that Wenger wraps around himself
        
        It's a case of growing up and being an adult, realising that the world isn't edited to suit you, an image Wenger portrays with every presser.
        
        If we look at MPs they're meant to be attacking each other and both sides fight with equal gusto.
        
        Lets be honest, if that lino had gone to the press and called Wenger a liar and fought back all the Arsenal fans would be in an uproar, probably wanting him fired or at least never to participate in another Arsenal match.
        
        Refs and linos are unbiased, that means they have no way to fight back because to do so would damage the very thing they need to have, an open mind.
        
        The only way officials can defend themselves is after they've retired, and think about it, even now nobody really gives a toss about this story anymore, think how irrelevent it'll be in a year, two years, ten years, however long it takes that lino to retire?
        
        The fact is to cut this out at source would be a far better method of prevention, think of it this way, you know when you go to work you can't go naked, it's far easier to simply make it against the rules to begin with rather than deal with each overexposed worker on an individual basis... if you'll pardon the slightly bizarre analogy.
        
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        ViEiRA
        
        2007-05-04 @ 14:00:38
        
        I think most fans would have been annoyed if a player tried to break up a fight during a Cup Final, the lino decided he was trying to get INTO the fight, and he got sent off - mistake or not. Eboue should have gone so we ought to have ended up with 10 men anyway, but I'm sure you can understand our frustrations, especially since the FA then did nothing about it.
        
        I believe your views on Wenger are disproportionate, but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say them.
        
        I'd much rather the lino and Wenger were given a chance to sort it out between themselves, than the FA step in and say one of them is automatically wrong, when they have no evidence one way or the other.
        
        I don't like the FA because they make arbitrary rules, and are self-appointed judges. I think the way they operate is out of step with the rest of civilised society.
        
        Anyway, let's agree to disagree on this one, simply because I have work to do! Have a good weekend.
        
        God bless, Jenni xx
        
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        ajnspencer ^Pro
        
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        2007-05-04 @ 14:19:39
        
        Haha, that's probably safer if we do that You know me, get my teeth into a footy debate and away we go
        
        Have a good weekend yourself hon.
        
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- - rithompson
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  - 2007-05-04 @ 11:26:52
  You think we're paranoid?! You should see the persecution complex Barcelona have had over the years!
  - - ajnspencer ^Pro
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    - 2007-05-04 @ 11:39:33
    Lol, what am amazes me on that one is that it's lasted through so many different managers too!
    - - rithompson
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      - 2007-05-04 @ 13:54:04
      It's related to their rivalry with Real Madrid, and assumption that the state/footballing authorities always wanted Madrid to win.
      - ViEiRA
        
        2007-05-04 @ 14:05:40
        
        Oh dear, dissertation on the brain!
        
        I can think of the odd analogy with a very big red team in the north-west of England which isn't supported by AJ
        
        God bless xx
        
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      - ajnspencer ^Pro
        
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        2007-05-04 @ 14:20:32
        
        Well, to be fair Milan have nicer shirts...
        
        I suppose there will always be some people who feel hard done by in any occasion.
        
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- cartlionel
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- 2007-05-04 @ 11:38:37
G.R.O.D.D.

Oh yes.. i remember that.. well.. I remember you writing it in big letters a few times.

Now. tell me.. Did anyone every actually get around to running Darren Day over?
- - ViEiRA
  - 2007-05-04 @ 14:09:38
  No, but we could laminate him if you want!
  
  GRODD... I had a letter head which went from red to blue through various shades of purple and blue, I loved it And yes, I did write it in big letters all the time at school!
  
  God bless xx
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- deleted user (Visitor)
- 2007-05-14 @ 22:32:30
sometimes all these off the field incidents have made the premier league football like the fake WWF wrestling show in America...

Fortunately, of course it is not.
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